Here are some questions Socrates asked: Socrates urges Euthyphro to teach him what piety is and the form it is. Euthyphro answered by saying that piety is persecuting religious offenders; this accounts even for relatives he claimed. Again, Socrates questions Euthyphro by stating…
This reading is so confusing, I read it three times and still have some confusion about the Socrates statements. Basically, it is a conversation or arguments between Socrates and Euthyphro. Socrates is in the court because a man whose name is Meletus prosecuted him about corrupting the youth. Therefore, Euthyphro is in the court to prosecute his father for the murder of the servant. It is not proven that his father is killer but Euthyphro is trying to get justice on behalf of the servant. Euthyphro thinks that a person has to pay if he/she does something impiety. Euthyphro explains that piety is something the dear to god and impiety is the thing that you do and god does not like. Euthyphro is trying to explain Socrates that he has knowledge…
At Euthyphro 9e, Euthyphro claims that the pious is that which is loved by all the gods. In effect, he is claiming that the pious and the god-loved are identical. In reply to this claim, Socrates argues that “If the god-loved and the pious were the same, my dear Euthyphro, then if the pious was being loved because it was pious, the god-loved would also be being loved because it is god-loved.” Socrates is essentially arguing that if the ‘pious’ and the ‘god-loved’ are, in fact, identical, you should be able to use the terms interchangeably without changing the truth value of a particular statement.…
In Plato’s Euthyphro, Socrates questions Euthyphro, a religious expert, who he runs into outside of a courthouse in Athens. Socrates was being indicted on the charges of corrupting the youth, and Euthyphro was prosecuting his own father for murder. Socrates was bewildered as to why Euthyphro would indict his own blood of a crime. In an attempt to explain to Socrates why it was the right thing to do, Euthyphro proclaims that he is acting piously by taking his father to court. Euthyphro adds that his relatives are mad at him because “it is impious for a son to prosecute his father for murder. But their ideas of the divine attitude to piety and impiety are wrong” (4e). Because of this, Socrates enquires about what Euthyphro believes piety truly is, to which he provides his four definitions that Socrates ultimately disagrees with.…
To better clarify his question, Socrates makes an analogy; “a thing is not seen because it is visible, but conversely visible because it is seen” (15). Socrates later makes a distinction between being approved and getting approved; something is being approved because it gets approved, not the other way around. According to Euthyphro, something gets approved by the gods because it is holy and not the other way around; it is not holy because it gets approved by the gods. Furthermore, because it gets approved it is being approved, therefore it is something that is approved by the gods. Nonetheless, from this you can distinguish, that what is holy is something different from what is approved of by the gods. Something holy gets approved because it is holy, and something that is being approved by the gods is being approved of because it gets approved. If what is being approved of by the gods were the same thing as what is holy, and if what is holy gets approved because it is holy, then what is being approved of by the gods would get approved because it is being approved of, when in fact the opposite is true. On the other hand, if we accept that what is being approved of is being approved of because it gets approved, then the holy, too, would have to…
This discussion wraps around the reason Socrates is on trial and his standing on piety in which he wishes not to follow. When speaking to Euthyphro, Socrates uses this moment to help himself understand what the meaning of piety is to himself and emits to Euthyphro that he does not know.…
The basis of the argument arises when Socrates asks Euthyphro to define the means of something that is holy and unholy. Euthyphro tells him that what he is currently doing, prosecuting his father for killing a man, is holy and not prosecuting him would be unholy. He proceeds to justify his actions by giving the example that Zeus the “most righteous of the gods” did the same thing to his father when he swallowed his own children so it must be the right thing to do. Socrates finds claims about the gods very difficult to accept, so when Euthyphro further defines something that is loved to be something that is…
In an analysis of Plato’s Euthyphro, Peter Geach claims that Socrates commits the Socratic fallacy when he refuses Euthyphro’s first definition of piety. Socrates rejects the definition given because it does not give a formal definition of what piety is, but instead offers examples of things and actions that are pious. Geach believes that this is a substantial fallacy committed by Socrates, one that may prevent him from getting at the truth of the matter. I will first expand on Geach’s Socratic fallacy, as well as explain why this fallacy presents itself as a problem for Geach. Then I will examine Euthyphro to see if Geach is correct in assuming that Socrates commits the Socratic fallacy. In addition to Euthyphro, I will look at another one…
Socrates rises the dilemma about what pious is and do the gods love something because it is pious, or is something pious because the gods love it? Socrates and Euthyphro both agree that surely the gods love the pious because it is the pious. But than Socrates argues that we are forced to reject the second option: the fact that the gods love (something) cannot explain why the pious is the pious. This is because, if both options were true, they would go in circles with the gods loving the pious because it is the pious, and the pious being the pious because the gods love it. And this in turn means, Socrates argues, that the pious is not the same as the god-beloved, because what makes the pious the pious is not what makes the god-beloved the god-beloved. After all, what makes the god-beloved the god-beloved is the fact that the gods love it, whereas what makes the pious the pious is something else. Thus Euthyphro's theory does not give us the very nature of the pious.…
Piety, says Euthyphro, is what all the gods love, and the impious is what all the gods hate. Socrates is not satisfied by this definition, either, and so he tries a different tack to extract a definition from Euthyphro. Socrates does this by asking: “Is the pious being loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is being loved by the gods?” When Euthyphro seems unsure, Socrates simplifies his question with an analogy. He asks Euthyphro if something is “carried” because it is “a thing carried,” or if it is “carried” because something is carrying it. Both men agree that the action confers the state of being. That is, a thing loved is so because someone loves it, and the thing itself is not creating a state of “loving” within the people around it. Likewise, being loved is not a state inherent to the thing loved, but is the result of the love others bear for the thing. Moving from his analogy back to Euthyphro’s definition, Socrates shows the fallacy in Euthyphro’s statement. Being god-loved cannot confer piety, as it confers “god-loved-ness” instead. Therefore, in Euthyphro’s statement, all the gods loving something would make that thing universally god-loved, but in no way makes it pious. An act is loved by the gods because it is pious, and not the other way…
In the writing called Euthyphro by Plato, Socrates is being charged with corrupting the youth and not believing in all of the Gods. He is being accused of this by a man named Meletus who feels as though he is guilty of not believing in the Gods of the states. Not only does he not believe in the Gods but he is accused of making up new ones. The crimes that he is being charged with go hand in hand with each other but he maintains his innocence because he feels he isn’t guilty. While on the other hand Euthyphro is prosecuting his father and indicting him for murder. Morally Euthyphro feels as though it’s the right thing to do and his family doesn’t agree only because it’s his father. In this essay I will summarize the dialogue and its message relating to piety/holiness.…
The idea of piety – being holy or religious – began in Euthyphro. In this dialogue, Socrates is asking Euthyphro to define what it means to be holy or religious. However, they keep going back and forth with this idea, as Socrates questions Euthyphro each time he comes up with a new definition. For instance, when initially trying to define it Euthyphro states that him fighting against his father on a murder charge is a pious act. However, Socrates rejects that idea on the grounds that it is an example, and not a legitimate definition of piety. In the next example, Euthyphro gives a slightly better definition, in which he states that piety is what appeases the Gods. While Socrates initially likes this definition better, since it isn’t an example,…
While there are varying characterizations and notions about what constitutes piety, in Euthyphro by Plato, an attempt is made to formulate an ultimate definition for what is pious and what is impious. According to Euthyphro, the most reasonable explanation of piety is tending to the gods, showing reverence and respect for them, or ultimately, doing anything benefitting to the gods. Piety can be narrowed down into simpler terms; it consists of everything that all the gods love, while impiety is everything that all the gods hate. Socrates emphasizes the belief…
Cited: Grene, David, and Richmond Lattimore. Euripides I. The University of Chicago Press: Chicago, 1955…
We can see that he is a patriotic citizen when he says “Good sir, you are an Athenian, a citizen of the greatest city with the greatest reputation for both wisdom and power.” (Apology 29d-e) From this, we might conclude that it is his love for his city which makes Socrates attend his duty of maintaining righteousness with such conviction. Although, his justification for his pedagogic behavior is that it is merely divine will, (Apology 20e-21a) it is hard not to interpret that Socrates truly does care for his city beyond the extent of his divine duty. For, another facet of Socrates’ relation to Athens which appears in in the tone of his speech, is that of a concerned citizen, who wants good for his polis. Socrates goes so far as to state “Indeed, men of Athens, I am far from making a defense now on my own behalf, as might be thought, but on yours, to prevent you from wrongdoing by mistreating the god’s gift to you by condemning me.” (Apology 30d-e) This seems to shows that he cares more for the moral solidity of Athens than his own defense. Which is a theme that appears a number of times throughout the Apology, giving us the sense that Socrates sees himself as a caring father-like figure of Athens. This, combined with Socrates love for his city, may suggest that he was not simply a man devoutly following the orders of the gods (though this certainly seems to be a major factor), but was…