Preview

The Republic: The Noble Lie

Good Essays
Open Document
Open Document
1724 Words
Grammar
Grammar
Plagiarism
Plagiarism
Writing
Writing
Score
Score
The Republic: The Noble Lie
Christopher Behrens
The Nobility of a Lie
Frederick Nietzsche once wrote that the “untruth, [or lie], is a condition of life.”At least in terms of creating a stable society, Socrates would seem to agree. In The Republic, Socrates points out that civilization is most prone to instability when founded on what he calls a“noble lie.”The lie which, despite its falsehood, serves for the good of society. His noble lie can be broken into two parts: a justification on why the lie applies to all of a society's members and a justification of the role each person serves in their society. Thus, if subjects believe in his noble lie, instability is abated because those who end up in the working class will be given simple reasoning for why they are where they are in society. That is to say, discontent will be diminished because the noble lie gives reasoning for why those in power are in power. The lie is noble in its attempt to achieve a greater good; however, the lie also contains truth due to the fact that, theoretically, it enables those who should be in power to be in power. The concept of the noble lie can be further expanded as its premise, a societal truth founded on a falsehood, can be applied to many different aspects of society. For instance, many people in the U.S. believe that America is a completely democratic country because that is the noble lie they are told, yet many aspects of American society, such as the disenfranchisement of felons, suggest just the opposite.
Socrates's noble lie is justified because it serves to create unity and order; furthermore, his concept of the noble lie can be seen in modern American society, specifically with the concept that America is completely democratic. Socrates's noble lie, which is divided into two parts, provides answers to seemingly simple political questions such as, why do I call my neighbor my fellow citizen but not a man born in another city, what gives a city validation to claim its territory, and what gives the

You May Also Find These Documents Helpful

  • Good Essays

    “Democracy provides the most just and efficient form of political rule” Asses whether Plato has shown his claim to be false.…

    • 894 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Better Essays

    The United States’ form of government is a controversial topic in this modern era and has been for decades. The big question “Is the United States a democracy, a republic or something else?” According to the article On Democracy in Our Republic by an unknown author, there is a logically reinforced thesis that the United States is a republic and not a democracy.…

    • 1009 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Better Essays
  • Good Essays

    One conversation between the parties was that of how a truly just state would look like and Socrates answers by declaring that a state might find justice when the overall happiness of the state has priority of desire to ones selfish ambitions. Socrates also says in reason people want to do what their desire bids them achieve and be trained in such a way that they would not care about anything but what their position in that society would have them do (The Republic, 376c-377e). This leads on to Socrates being asked to describe in detail how the laws of such a state would be where justice is to be found. Socrates says that for him to explain such a place to them would cause such humor to the group because his ideas are quite contrary to the ideas of people in the society in which they live(The Republic 450d-452e). He explains that three ideas that would push could be implemented that could make up a society that may contain justice. One is the common education of men and women another is women and children held in common the third is the idea that philosophers should rule as kings.…

    • 1033 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    Plato was an interesting individual, and has always been one of my favorite Philosophers. I personally like most of his political ideals, and find them almost in alignment with my own. In particular I like his reasoning when it comes to the citizens that make up the city-state, along with the leadership. So throughout this essay I plan on drawing from the Republic to talk more about this Philosopher’s ideas.…

    • 694 Words
    • 3 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    The tyrant, who is also the most unjust man, is the least happy, but the aristocrat, the most just man, is the most happy, which shows that it pays to be just. In turn, Socrates comes up with his own definition of justice where, just like the ideal society, the just man has to balance the rational part of his soul, the spirited part of his soul, and the appetitive part of his soul. The problem, though, is that with this definition, the hoi polloi of America is…

    • 962 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Powerful Essays

    In his philosophy, Plato places a large emphasis on the importance of the idea of justice. This emphasis can be seen especially in his work ‘The Republic’ where, through his main character Socrates, he attempts to define the nature of justice and to justify this definition. One of the methods used by Socrates to strengthen or rather explain his argument on justice is through his famous city-soul analogy, where a comparison between a just city and a just soul/individual is made. Through this analogy, Socrates attempts to explain the nature of justice, how it is the virtue of the soul and is therefore intrinsically valuable to the individual, but it becomes apparent in the analysis and evaluation of the analogy that there may have been several purposes behind it. Inconsistencies within the analogy itself also raise questions to the validity in Plato’s definition and justification of justice.…

    • 1949 Words
    • 8 Pages
    Powerful Essays
  • Good Essays

    On another note, Socrates doesn’t understand why being honest with himself and the people should be cause for execution. If the nobility’s beliefs are so self-evidently true, why are they so defensive when questioned? Socrates doesn’t intend to tear down the ideology rather, he wants to point out concepts that could be adjusted. In other words, he wants the people to care for the city itself more than its materialistic aspects. Critiquing the views of the well-respected should be met with open arms rather than execution.…

    • 1044 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    When Socrates is asked to defend justice on its own, but not for the reputation that it brings, he suggests that justice should be found in the city before starting to use the analogy of finding it in an individual. He then uses an example of a just city that aims at satisfying the basic human wants. Some citizens enter into political welfare as no one is independent. Nevertheless,…

    • 879 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Better Essays

    • 1. In the Apology, Socrates recounts how he disobeyed the unjust order of the Thirty Tyrants to arrest a fellow citizen; he also claims that he will never stop philosophizing, regardless of what the legally constituted political authority commands. Yet, in the Crito, Socrates provides numerous arguments for obeying the decision of the legally constituted political authority, even though the decision (to put Socrates to death) was unjust. Critically assess whether Socrates’s view about political obligation in the two texts is consistent.…

    • 1174 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Better Essays
  • Better Essays

    For these two articles that we read in Crito and Apology by Plato, we could know Socrates is an enduring person with imagination, because he presents us with a mass of contradictions: Most eloquent men, yet he never wrote a word; ugliest yet most profoundly attractive; ignorant yet wise; wrongfully convicted, yet unwilling to avoid his unjust execution. Behind these conundrums is a contradiction less often explored: Socrates is at once the most Athenian, most local, citizenly, and patriotic of philosophers; and yet the most self-regarding of Athenians. Exploring that contradiction, between ¡§Socrates the loyal Athenian citizen¡¨ and ¡§Socrates the philosophical critic of Athenian society,¡¨ will help to position Plato¡¦s Socrates in an Athenian legal and historical context; it allows us to reunite Socrates the literary character and Athens the democratic city that tried and executed him. Moreover, those help us to understand Plato¡¦s presentation of the strange legal and ethical drama.…

    • 1653 Words
    • 7 Pages
    Better Essays
  • Powerful Essays

    Virtuous Republic APUSH

    • 1337 Words
    • 6 Pages

    human that we cannot be totally perfect in learning lessons from years passed. It is…

    • 1337 Words
    • 6 Pages
    Powerful Essays
  • Good Essays

    In order to reconcile these two seemingly contradictory claims, we must first understand who, according to Socrates, can be considered a true champion of justice, and what he considers to be ‘the true art of politics’.…

    • 698 Words
    • 3 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    Birth of the Republic

    • 1556 Words
    • 7 Pages

    Parliament’s exclusive power to tax was the most important feature of its supremacy over the King, the most important guarantee of English liberty.…

    • 1556 Words
    • 7 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    In Socrates’ eyes one has as a mature citizen a contract with the state where one lives. This contract…

    • 617 Words
    • 3 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Satisfactory Essays

    For Socrates, it is just appropriate to tell such a lie. In order for the rulers, soldiers, and the rest to work and defend their city they “[require] a great deal of persuasion”. It is just to tell a false tale if it would benefit the people and the city. It is noble because the purpose of the lie is to bring the people together to achieve peace and make them work as one community. Socrates wants what is good to the city and he resorts to tell false tales. His way of teaching values to these people might be wrong but necessary. If telling a lie would bring peace and order to the city and make the rulers and guardians guard and govern the citizens, then lying is…

    • 130 Words
    • 1 Page
    Satisfactory Essays

Related Topics