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Debating Live with Eva Fleischner and Matthieu Ricard
Thank you for tuning in to Debating Live with Eva Fleischner and Matthieu Ricard. I am your host Miranda Smith. Tonight, we will be talking about the topic of forgives with two special guests. Our first guest is Eva Fleischner, a pioneer Catholic theologian whose search led her to leadership in the ongoing process of ending Catholic-Christian anti-Judaism, Eva was among the early Catholic writers undertake this mission in the post-Holocaust era. Our next guest is Matthieu Ricard, a French Buddhist monk who resides at Shechen Tennyi Dargyeling Monastery, he has been dubbed the "happiest person in the world" by popular media and he is engaged in research on the effect of mind training on the brain, at Madison-Wisconsin, Princeton and Berkeley.
These two men were invited by Simon Wiesenthal, famous Holocaust survivor, and author of The Sunflower, to give their thoughts about an incident that Simon Wiesenthal talks about in his book. Wiesenthal describes how, while imprisoned in a concentration camp, he was brought to a hospital, where he was called inside by a nurse who leads him to a patient's room. That patient was a dying Nazi named Karl. Simon was stuck there listening to his disturbing story about what he had done to Jews, the people he killed, and his mother. When he was done telling his story, he asked Simon for forgiveness. Simon left the room without answering, and made it back to his group without being caught. He could not decide whether it was right or not to forgive the Nazi, so he left Karl's plea unanswered.
Miranda Smith: I will start by asking the first question to Eva Fleischner, what do you think about Simon’s reaction? What would you have done?
Eva Fleischner: What would I have done? I find it impossible to answer this question because I am a non-Jew and I can not imagine all the horror and sadness all the victims lived. I can only give my reaction to Simon’s response to the dying SS man.

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