a disagreement between Socrates and Thrasymachus about the nature of justice. The disaccord between their views of the subject is extremely pronounced‚ but there are certain underlying agreements which guide the course of the debate. One way to evaluate the validity of the arguments involved is to examine whether the assumptions at the root of the argument are in accord with this common ground. By my reading of the dialogue‚ Socrates’ reply to the first part of Thrasymachus’ definition of justice
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is‚ and those who believe justice is part of a higher “moral code” independent of the ruler. Thrasymachus and Hobbes believe that the powerful dictate law and order. On the other hand‚ Aristotle‚ Polemarchus‚ Socrates‚ and Plato believe that justice cannot be influenced by those of the ruler. I believe the best account of political justice is a combination of a few thinkers including those of Thrasymachus‚ Aristotle‚ and Plato. This account would borrow Thrasymachus’s idea that those who have power
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between Thrasymachus and Socrates on the topic of justice and what is just. Although it is mainly a conversation between Socrates and Thrasymachus‚ it also includes several other people who happen to be present during the conversation of the two. This text begins with Thrasymachus eagerly and angrily‚ jumping into the conversation between Socrates and others on the topic of justice. Thrasymachus immediately attacks Socrates verbally on his manner of teaching others. Stating that Socrates is merely
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Thrasymachus argues for the view that justice is the advantage of the powerful – that it is “simply the interest of the stronger” (Plato’s The Republic‚ translated by Richard W. Sterling and William C. Scott‚ page 35). Laws‚ he says‚ are specifically “designed to serve the interests of the ruling class” (36). Of course‚ the ruling class is the strongest class‚ so it follows that the laws serve the advantage of the strong. The citizens under the ruling class serve “interests [of their strong unjust
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Philosophy 1) Cephalu’s‚ Polemarchus and Thrasymachus definition of justice and Socrates objection to those definitions-point by point. - To Cephalic the definition of justice is being honest‚ that lying would be considered being unjust. Socrates responds to his definition of Justice by saying that if you owe a madman his weapon in some sense if it belongs to him legally‚ and yet this would be an unjust act‚ since you know that he could harm someone with the weapon. So this can’t be justice‚ justice
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Thrasymachus defines justice as the advantage of the stronger. In other words‚ justice is what benefits the rulers and is advocated by the laws they have set within their state. He believes that in any state‚ whether it be a monarchy‚ aristocracy‚ democracy or a tyranny‚ justice is not necessarily beneficial to the ruled‚ but only to the ones who are in rule. Furthermore‚ he states that true justice is not profitable to the one who is just and does just deeds but is not recognized for it. He believes
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Philosophy 1) Cephalu’s‚ Polemarchus and Thrasymachus definition of justice and Socrates objection to those definitions-point by point. - To Cephalic the definition of justice is being honest‚ that lying would be consider being injustice. Socrates respond to his definition of Justice saying that if you owe a madman his weapon in some sense if it belongs to him legally‚ and yet this would be an unjust act‚ since you know that he could harm someone with the weapon. So this can’t be justice‚ justice
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house of Polemarchus‚ Socrates and his colleague‚ Thrasymachus share their wisdom on the definition of justice. The scene is set for a mighty debate that will be discussed for centuries after this event. Thrasymachus‚ unsatisfied with Socrates’s rebuttal to Polemarchus’s definition of justice‚ pounces at the opportunity to have the upper hand on the great philosopher‚ and prove himself the wiser. Socrates‚ who just bested Cephalus and Polemarchus decides to entertain Thrasymachus and hear his interpretation
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After that outburst from Thrasymachus showing pride of himself I asked Socrates what was all that about. He tells me that first I have to know who is Thrasymachus‚ and how he is portrayed in “The Republic” written by Plato. He is portrayed as a sophist and cynic who argues that people are selfish. By this argument that Thrasymachus yelled to us that “justice is in the interest of the strong and the subjects obeying the interest of the strong” he claims that whoever is at the top of the hierarchy
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Analysis of Thrasymachus Throughout "The Republic" there exist different characters that each holds a unique importance towards the development of certain philosophies‚ in this case‚ the meaning of "justice". Thrasymachus is such a character‚ which could be considered a cynic by some; he plays an imperative role in the quest for the meaning of justice in the first book of "The Republic". While Cephalus and his son Polemarchus are unsuccessful in providing Socrates with an adequate definition of
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