In other arguments, Socrates illustrates that the soul must enter the body before or during birth, so ontologically the soul must have existed before birth meaning that it was present before the body was formed. Why Socrates’ argument and analogies to explain this are not very convincing is due to the fact that if we critically examine the cyclical argument itself with regards to the immortality of the soul, there are inconsistencies. For instance, even though some parts of the body go through a cycle one way or another, not all parts of the body do. As not all parts of the body are amongst the pre-existing constituent parts of which we are composed. There is no particular reason for us to suspect that any part of our body is amongst those that travel through this cycle, much less the …show more content…
Commonplace objects that exist in the empirical world participate in forms to varying degrees, which is Plato’s depiction of metaphysics. These particular objects get people to think about the platonic forms; Plato suggests that we must have already been acquainted with the forms themselves. For instance, he believes that in order for one to see the plate and think of perfect roundness, one must have already experienced perfect roundness. Which raises the questions of how? And when? If perfect roundness does not exist in this world, when could we possibly have experienced it? These questions are answered by Plato, suggesting that the only plausible way we could have experienced forms was in a heavenly realm before the Earth was created as our soul. This argument is brought about by Plato in many of his works, so it is safe to assume this is an ideology he could embrace. The argument could be countered by suggesting that whenever we come across physical objects in an empirical world, we see objects with different attributes and eventually our mind connects the dots to think of a form for the first time. For instance, we could see circles that are more or less perfectly circular than another, and then eventually after seeing circles with varying degrees of circulenes, we would begin to wonder what a perfect circle would look