Justice In Thrasymachus's Argument

When beginning a discussion, it helps to be prepared, to know both sides of the argument especially the side you are arguing because it can be hard to see where the debate will lead. Thrasymachus falls into this situation as he tries to make an argument but ends up unable to see where the discussion is being lead, this causes him to push examples without fully examining all the areas of weakness in his arguments, which leads to his failure. Justice is usually linked with people who are just, but by disconnecting them Thrasymachus is able to form an argument that examines justice with a darker connotation. Socrates holds more hopeful associations and supports the benefits of justice consistently through his argument. With his skill and strategy,
Before Thrasymachus begins the conversation, there are two reasons that Thrasymachus wanted to speak “So that he could win a good reputation, since he believed he had a very fine answer” (338a). His reason of wanting to win a good reputation shows that he probably hasn’t fully thought of all the loose ends his argument might have. With someone as experienced as Socrates a better strategy should have been used rather than entering the argument superficially. Thrasymachus then begins his argument with “In every city the same thing is just, the advantage of the established ruling body. It surely is master; so the man who reasons rightly concludes that everywhere justice is the same thing, the advantage of the stronger”
Socrates claims that for a ruler to rule he must care for the ruled and their advantage. Thrasymachus dismisses this as ignorance and asserts that the ruler has no interest in the advantage of the ruled and uses the shepherd and sheep and taxes as an example. The shepherd only cares for the wages from the owner, not the well-being of the sheep and in taxes the one in power has the advantage of the weak. This is where Thrasymachus starts veer away from his original argument before he had said justice is the advantage of the stronger now he will argue that “the just man everywhere has less that the unjust man” (343d). He pushes this idea forward to say that it is like tyranny, the rulers get more rewards. Thrasymachus says that “Injustice, when it comes into being on a sufficient scale, is mightier, freer, and more masterful than justice; and as I have said from the beginning, the just is the advantage of the stronger, and the unjust is what is profitable and advantageous to oneself” (344c). Is justice ever linked to actually being just? Thrasymachus makes this disconnect between justice and actually being