Socrates Discussion Of Meno

In the following I will summarize Socrates' discussion with Meno: To enjoy fine things and to have power, A tag from an unknown writer. At the end of the day, Meno has depended on an outer power, as opposed to his own particular considering. Desiring something good, aren’t they a hazardous passage, particularly on the grounds that there is a clear inconsistency between asserting that individuals don't want something bad, and guaranteeing that what they want is actually bad. The arrangement is to understand that individuals need things under a certain portrayal. Desiring bad things and getting them, Socrates is teasing Meno with a procurement of his case that excellence is desiring fine things and being able to secure for one self. In any case,
he has diverted or he is falling back on regular speech. He has recently dedicated an assertion that nobody seeks bad things, yet he says individuals who are deeply desire bad things.
Meno makes an attempt at defining excellence: using a literary quote, he says that excellence is “To desire beautiful things and have the power to acquire them” this idea about excellence is quickly broken down by Socrates' questions. Socrates brings light to the fact that some men desire bad things, and further that they do not know these things to be bad. "What else is being miserable," he asks, "But to desire bad things and secure them." Meno is still somewhat unsure what Socrates is getting at. We should note that Socrates' modesty here is somewhat false, at least in the context of the dialogue that is to follow.
In 77e Socrates expresses his view on whether people truly desire bad things.
“it’s not they’re desiring something bad; they desire what they take to be good, even though in actual fact it’s bad” Socrates is after the definitive characteristics of bad as it relates to being good. Lack of awareness is bad habit as expressed by Socrates' conviction that bad can just come from not recognizing what the correct thing would have been; the choice that drove a man to pick the wrong over the right activity more likely than not been under the wrong suspicion that the bad was really the best thing to do. In the event that a man knows the great, he or she can't act generally than this since he or she realizes that in the long run, picking the "bad" will prompt despondency in his or her life which is, as seen above, attractive to
nobody.
Routinely, we have a tendency to feel that ethically magnificent individuals must have the will or craving, comprehensively speaking, to do good things.
However, our customary thinking rightly expects more from such individuals than insignificant great expectations, since for example reckless individuals can be good natured yet may be blameworthy of carelessness of the most noticeably bad sort. If excellence is to acquire good things justly, and if justice is a kind of excellence, Meno has simply repeated his previous mistake of using kinds of excellence to define excellence itself. Socrates' clarification sets up that when he and Meno talk about people seeking bad things, they mean individuals who desire to get bad things. In this manner Socrates can ask Meno once more, in this more exact way, whether individuals can desire to get bad things in instances of both obliviousness and learning. To this more exact inquiry, Meno emphasizes that both cases are conceivable “There are some who desire to get bad things thinking that bad things are beneficial, and others as well, who desire to get bad things knowing that bad things cause harm.”(77d) Socrates continues to contend that both cases – lack of awareness and learning –are
unimaginable.
There is a clear inconsistency between asserting that individuals don't want something bad, and guaranteeing that what they want is actually bad. In the passage Socrates tries to seek true excellence through Meno’s depiction of excellence. Meno portrays excellence in many lights and changes his response/definition according to Socrates’ dissection of his definition. Meno defines excellence as “desiring fine things and having the ability to procure them” he explains that everyone desires good things and some people desire bad things. Socrates’ argument shows that Meno’s definition in the first case leads to a contradiction. Subsequent to Meno's first case prompts a contradiction, it is outlandish and false. Socrates has effectively decided out that individuals desire bad things in the first instance of obliviousness, demonstrating while unmindful choice of bad things is the after effect of desire for good things.