Preview

Socrates Plato Piety

Good Essays
Open Document
Open Document
556 Words
Grammar
Grammar
Plagiarism
Plagiarism
Writing
Writing
Score
Score
Socrates Plato Piety
Pursuing Piety
Euthyphro is a text written by Plato, about a debate between Socrates and Euthyphro on the subject of piety and holiness, rich with Socratic irony, Socrates pretends to be clueless on the subject and asks Euthyphro what his thoughts are on the subject of piety and what makes an action pious, however Euthyphro starts digging himself a bigger and bigger hole even though he initially posed as almost an expert on piety, Socrates finally shows him how ignorant he truly is on the subject, however the

Before the debate starts, Euthyphro tells Socrates he is there at the porch of the King Archon because he is persecuting his father for murder, Socrates seems shocked that Euthyphro would persecute his own father and tells him that
…show more content…
Therefore, one must differentiate between the two and decide which one is less important in the eyes of the gods.

Euthyphro is committing an act of piousness regardless of the fact that he is persecuting his own father because even if the murderer is his father, the man has committed a murder, by negligence, but still murder. Euthyphro is not persecuting his father in his eyes, he is persecuting a murderer. Euthyphro is simply asking for justice for a person who died in the cold, hungry and bound. Euthyphro’s father also comes off as a hypocrite as he was willing to forego all of the slave’s rights as he deprived him of any sort of security and left him on a ditch in the cold while they waited for the interpreter of religious law because the slave himself had committed a murder, although one could argue that the slave was not in the right state of mind as he was drunk when he committed the murder, yet Euthyphro’s father becomes angry at Euthyphro for persecuting him when he has also committed a murder, albeit unknowingly as he simply didn’t concern himself with the slave after leaving him in the ditch. Therefore, why should Euthyphro concern himself with his father’s wishes when he himself also didn’t concern himself with a murderer? As Euthyphro states, even if the murderer is his

You May Also Find These Documents Helpful

  • Satisfactory Essays

    This reading is so confusing, I read it three times and still have some confusion about the Socrates statements. Basically, it is a conversation or arguments between Socrates and Euthyphro. Socrates is in the court because a man whose name is Meletus prosecuted him about corrupting the youth. Therefore, Euthyphro is in the court to prosecute his father for the murder of the servant. It is not proven that his father is killer but Euthyphro is trying to get justice on behalf of the servant. Euthyphro thinks that a person has to pay if he/she does something impiety. Euthyphro explains that piety is something the dear to god and impiety is the thing that you do and god does not like. Euthyphro is trying to explain Socrates that he has knowledge…

    • 269 Words
    • 2 Pages
    Satisfactory Essays
  • Good Essays

    In the reading Euthyphro, it is an argument between Euthyphro (the priest) and Socrates (who is being indicted by another man). This reading is a dialogue between the two men arguing on the same topic, even though they each gave examples, they still can’t figure out the answer but going “around and around” with the original question. Since Euthyphro and Socrates gave a lot of examples during the argument, I was really confused when reading it. I couldn’t organize my thoughts on the reading. However with the example of Euthyphro persecuting his own father for “murdering” a drunk murder, I start to have an idea of what they are arguing about, in my opinion, it is a question with no right answer for. No matter which answer was given, the result…

    • 380 Words
    • 2 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    In Sophocles' play "Antigone”, the ideas of obeying the law of one’s community and following ones own moral beliefs come into conflict. The plot revolves around two brothers, Eteocles and Polyneices having killed each other in an attempted to gain rule and their Uncle Creon gaining power after their deaths. He orders Eteocles given an honorable funeral and Polyneices to be left in the streets to rot. Creon believes that Polyneices' body shall be condemned to this because of his civil disobedience and treachery against the city. However, the dead brothers’ sister, Antigone, believes this unfair to Polyneices and insulting to the Gods.…

    • 103 Words
    • 1 Page
    Good Essays
  • Satisfactory Essays

    In Plato’s Euthyphro, Socrates questions Euthyphro, a religious expert, who he runs into outside of a courthouse in Athens. Socrates was being indicted on the charges of corrupting the youth, and Euthyphro was prosecuting his own father for murder. Socrates was bewildered as to why Euthyphro would indict his own blood of a crime. In an attempt to explain to Socrates why it was the right thing to do, Euthyphro proclaims that he is acting piously by taking his father to court. Euthyphro adds that his relatives are mad at him because “it is impious for a son to prosecute his father for murder. But their ideas of the divine attitude to piety and impiety are wrong” (4e). Because of this, Socrates enquires about what Euthyphro believes piety truly is, to which he provides his four definitions that Socrates ultimately disagrees with.…

    • 397 Words
    • 2 Pages
    Satisfactory Essays
  • Good Essays

    Socrates and Euthyphro unexpectedly run into each other outside of the Athens courthouse. Euthyphro went to the courthouse to prosecute his father for killing one of his servants, who was a murderer. Socrates was summoned to court to be charged with disturbing the youth. After Euthyphro stated his business at the courthouse, Socrates assumes that he must be a religious expert if he is willing to prosecute his own father on such a serious charge. Euthyphro then agrees with Socrates that he does indeed know all there is to know about what is holy. Socrates asks Euthyphro to teach him what holiness is, in hope that it will help with his trial.…

    • 516 Words
    • 3 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    Socrates presents his question of piety again to Euthyphro suggesting that Euthyphro gave an example of a pious act and not of piety itself. Socrates argues that other actions are pious other than…

    • 1027 Words
    • 5 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    Phi Euthyphro

    • 907 Words
    • 4 Pages

    This discussion wraps around the reason Socrates is on trial and his standing on piety in which he wishes not to follow. When speaking to Euthyphro, Socrates uses this moment to help himself understand what the meaning of piety is to himself and emits to Euthyphro that he does not know.…

    • 907 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    Plato's Euthyphro Essay

    • 813 Words
    • 4 Pages

    In the selection Euthyphro by Plato, Socrates and Euthyphro are having an argument about what the real meaning of being pious and impious is. While standing on the porch of the King Archon, Euthyphro questions Socrates on his reason for being at the court being that he was sure that Socrates wouldn’t be prosecuting anyone and that it was more than likely the other way around. Socrates informs him that a guy by the name of Meletus was charging him with the crime of corrupting the minds of the youth with his poetry and second guessing of the gods. Socrates then questions Euthyphro on him being at the court and Euthyphro informs him that he is there to prosecute his father for the murder of their servant. Socrates, as anyone would be was taken back by the thought of someone prosecuting their father. Euthyphro let him know that he was a firm believer in piety even if that meant prosecuting his own flesh and blood because to the gods relation doesn’t matter when it comes down to right and wrong.…

    • 813 Words
    • 4 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    In an analysis of Plato’s Euthyphro, Peter Geach claims that Socrates commits the Socratic fallacy when he refuses Euthyphro’s first definition of piety. Socrates rejects the definition given because it does not give a formal definition of what piety is, but instead offers examples of things and actions that are pious. Geach believes that this is a substantial fallacy committed by Socrates, one that may prevent him from getting at the truth of the matter. I will first expand on Geach’s Socratic fallacy, as well as explain why this fallacy presents itself as a problem for Geach. Then I will examine Euthyphro to see if Geach is correct in assuming that Socrates commits the Socratic fallacy. In addition to Euthyphro, I will look at another one…

    • 583 Words
    • 3 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Better Essays

    Piety, says Euthyphro, is what all the gods love, and the impious is what all the gods hate. Socrates is not satisfied by this definition, either, and so he tries a different tack to extract a definition from Euthyphro. Socrates does this by asking: “Is the pious being loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is being loved by the gods?” When Euthyphro seems unsure, Socrates simplifies his question with an analogy. He asks Euthyphro if something is “carried” because it is “a thing carried,” or if it is “carried” because something is carrying it. Both men agree that the action confers the state of being. That is, a thing loved is so because someone loves it, and the thing itself is not creating a state of “loving” within the people around it. Likewise, being loved is not a state inherent to the thing loved, but is the result of the love others bear for the thing. Moving from his analogy back to Euthyphro’s definition, Socrates shows the fallacy in Euthyphro’s statement. Being god-loved cannot confer piety, as it confers “god-loved-ness” instead. Therefore, in Euthyphro’s statement, all the gods loving something would make that thing universally god-loved, but in no way makes it pious. An act is loved by the gods because it is pious, and not the other way…

    • 1979 Words
    • 8 Pages
    Better Essays
  • Good Essays

    In Euthyphro, Euthyphro is prosecuting his father for manslaughter. Euthyphro states that it does not matter if the person his father killed was a relative or stranger. Instead, it mattered on the subject of whether or not the act of murder was justified or not. Socrates tries to understand Euthyphro’s definition of what is pious and what is impious, but does not get the answer he is looking for. Every answer Euthyphro gives Socrates finds a flaw in the definition. Socrates is looking for an answer that has a general form and essence. The form is the definition itself, while the essence or substance is something that we can grasp without the definition.…

    • 549 Words
    • 3 Pages
    Good Essays
  • Good Essays

    Socrates Idea Of Piety

    • 228 Words
    • 1 Page

    The idea of piety – being holy or religious – began in Euthyphro. In this dialogue, Socrates is asking Euthyphro to define what it means to be holy or religious. However, they keep going back and forth with this idea, as Socrates questions Euthyphro each time he comes up with a new definition. For instance, when initially trying to define it Euthyphro states that him fighting against his father on a murder charge is a pious act. However, Socrates rejects that idea on the grounds that it is an example, and not a legitimate definition of piety. In the next example, Euthyphro gives a slightly better definition, in which he states that piety is what appeases the Gods. While Socrates initially likes this definition better, since it isn’t an example,…

    • 228 Words
    • 1 Page
    Good Essays
  • Satisfactory Essays

    Plato's dialog called Euthyphro is about a discussion that took place between Socrates and Euthyphro concerning the meaning of piety, or one's duty to both gods and to humanity. Socrates has recently been charged with impiety and is about to be tried before the Athenian court while Euthyphro is on trial for murder. Because Socrates knew that the Athenian people did not understand the meaning of piety, Socrates asks Euthyphro to answer the question "What is piety?" He wants to see if Euthyphro is as wise as he claims to be, and if he is not, Socrates will debunk his claim.…

    • 447 Words
    • 2 Pages
    Satisfactory Essays
  • Satisfactory Essays

    Euthypyro

    • 666 Words
    • 3 Pages

    In “Euthyphro” Socrates argue that what piety is. Maybe the strongest argument is that every terms; I mean piety, being loved, god-loved, have own meanings. One differs from the other. In this paper, I will mention that strong and weak arguments premises, steps which Socrates did.…

    • 666 Words
    • 3 Pages
    Satisfactory Essays
  • Powerful Essays

    Piety: Pan and the Nymphs

    • 1644 Words
    • 7 Pages

    While there are varying characterizations and notions about what constitutes piety, in Euthyphro by Plato, an attempt is made to formulate an ultimate definition for what is pious and what is impious. According to Euthyphro, the most reasonable explanation of piety is tending to the gods, showing reverence and respect for them, or ultimately, doing anything benefitting to the gods. Piety can be narrowed down into simpler terms; it consists of everything that all the gods love, while impiety is everything that all the gods hate. Socrates emphasizes the belief…

    • 1644 Words
    • 7 Pages
    Powerful Essays